CL: Naomi, you speak of a “crisis of
imagination” especially in our political culture. Cut through it if you can.
NK: Right. So this past 40 years, since what
we call the neoliberal project began—which accelerated so much under Reagan in
this country and Thatcher in the UK—was a set of policies: privatization,
deregulation, low taxes paid for with cuts to social services. As more and more
people were excluded from participating in this economy, there was an explosion
of mass incarceration, of criminalization. This is the neoliberal project, but
the flipside of it was always to say that there is no alternative to this
project, as Margaret Thatcher famously argued. Sure, you know, these policies
may hurt in the short term, or in the medium term, or now in the long term, but
the alternative to them is apocalypse.
And so a huge
part of that neoliberal project that we have been living for 40 years, those of
us who have been alive that long, has been about constraining the
imagination and creating all of these borders around what people will even put
on the political table for fear of being condemned as communists or socialists
or whatever the smear of the day is.
And that is
what’s falling away, and you see that so clearly in this millennial generation
that has been powering the insurgent campaigns of Bernie Sanders and Jeremy
Corbyn. They know they were lied to because they remember the 2008 financial
crisis, when trillions of dollars were marshalled to bail out the banks, so
they know that it is possible to intervene in the market. They’ve now seen
Donald Trump talking about renegotiating trade deals that we had all been told
could never be changed once they’ve been signed. This is a malleable moment for
better and for worse, right? Progressive ideas are surging in popularity as the
Trump administration savages people’s health care policies. You know, the state
of California, stepping up in the California Senate, just got one step closer
to introducing single-payer healthcare in the state of California, a massive economy.
So, Trump is
creating a situation because he is himself a system failure, and people are
seeing this. They’re seeing not just the election of Donald Trump but that the
market cheered on his election, that the media cheered as he launched missiles
on Syria over chocolate cake at Mar-a-Lago.
People are
seeing this as a need to get at the underlying causes, and we’re seeing this in
the boldness of the progressive agenda, the willingness to go deep. But at the
same time we have to be cognizant of the fact that these are not the only ideas
that are gaining popularity. White supremacy, misogyny—these are surging to the
surface. They are playing out on people’s bodies and people’s lives in blood
and violence. So, it’s really a race against time because that vacuum left by
the neoliberal project collapsing—and it has been in a state of collapse since
2008—is allowing other ideas to bubble up to the surface, and some of them are
very, very dangerous indeed.
I haven't read any of her books and your blog just made me curious to read it out. Going to look for her books in market and hope that it will be worth spending time
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